Re: [tsc-devel] CALL FOR VOTE: land_1 music replacement

Chris Jacobsen | Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:26:07 UTC

The reason why I went ahead and suggested we come to agreement on things like the piano (or depth of the song) was because we have been holding artists firmly to the style guide.  We came very close to telling Sydney to remove the eyes on his hedge.  We agreed we would use the voting process to resolve this disagreement.
Similarly, music should be held to some sort of standards.  I agree it's not a "big deal" to have or not have the piano; I just think we should look for certain elements in songs, make decisions, and request changes where possible, in order to be consistent with our artistic style guidelines.  What we really need is to get some trained musicians reviewing these songs; for the time being we just have to go off what we are able to judge at the moment.
The purpose of the second vote was to allow more versatile options in how we deal with this.
I realize some of us have very different views on this, which is what led Quintus to request a vote in the first place.  If anyone else feels we don't need the second vote, feel free to share your thoughts.  All views can be beneficial to the process.
-datahead 


     On Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:18 PM, Chris Jacobsen <…9@y…> wrote:
   

 Quintus's proposed vote seemed to imply a permanent decision without further changes.  People usually do not reverse such decisions, either.
I respect your general views on the piano, but if we are going to hold a vote, I think we should look at all options.  I also realize it seems like a lot of decisions for a small component in a song, but if we aren't going to make a decision based on all options, we should just accept the music as-is and be done with it.  This, however, defeats the purpose of critiquing songs or artwork.
-datahead


     On Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:01 PM, Luiji Maryo <…i@u…> wrote:
   

 I think the second vote's unnecessary. Everything can be changed after
release 2.0, implicitly. All this vote does is, if the second choice
is made, induce an automatic vote afterwards, when we should just
bring the subject up if it actually matters to us.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chris Jacobsen <…9@y…> wrote:
> I'm making a proposal for a 2nd, parallel vote (and discussion).
> It would be held in addition to the vote Quintus proposed.
> The two options are:
> 1. Hold to the decision made on using the song as-is or not using it for
> future releases (unless at some point a new discussion comes up about what
> songs to keep, as can be done with any song).
> 2. Use this decision for release 2.0 only.  We would then ask KirbyFan64 to
> make additional changes in a later release (with the understanding they must
> be made).
>
> -datahead
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:30 PM, Quintus <…s@q…>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is the formal call for votes following the discussion at
>
>  http://forum.secretchronicles.de/topics/230
>
> Regarding the music replacment by kirbyfan. kirbyfan provided us with
> two versions of the song where he strongly prefers one over the other,
> and we currently were not able to agree on which one to use, so we will
> have to vote on that to find a decision. You can download the songs for
> listening by following the links kirbyfan gave at
>
>  http://forum.secretchronicles.de/topics/230/posts/1137
>
> . Following is the formal vote announcement.
>
>                        =======================
>                        == VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT ==
>                        =======================
>
> This is a formal call for vote on a topic regarding the game of TSC as
> per our voting guidelines layed out in the last General Discussion in
> IRC. Allowed to vote is every team member as listed on the project team
> page at <https://github.com/orgs/Secretchronicles/people>. You can vote by
> posting a single message containing the text “I vote” followed by the
> option you vote for. Each team member has only one vote. Winner option
> is the option that receives the most votes; if no single option receives
> the most votes, a second vote is taken with the set of options reduced
> to those options which received the most votes. The winner option of the
> second vote is deemed the winner of the entire voting process; if still
> no single option receives the most votes, the entire vote is failed and
> has no binding result. Further discussion is then required. The winner
> option is a binding decision that determines how to proceed.
>
> Any team member can request a covert vote if he feels it is necessary;
> the request has to be honoured if it is made. Refer to the announcement
> at
> <http://team.secretchronicles.de/~quintus/general-discussions/1st-general-discussion.txt>
> for the details of the covert voting process (section “VOTING
> PROCESS”). The request must be made before the voting period starts (if
> people already voted openly, a covert vote would not be able to
> guarantee anonymity).
>
> VOTE OPTIONS:
> °°°°°°°°°°°°°
>
>  1. Use the song version with Piano.
>  2. Use the song version without Piano.
>  3. Don’t use the song at all.
>  4. Abort vote and discuss further. New vote may follow.
>
> VOTING PERIOD:
> °°°°°°°°°°°°°°
>
> The vote starts on 2015-05-01 00:00 UTC and ends on 2015-05-10 00:00
> UTC. DO NOT VOTE BEFORE THE STARTING OF THE VOTE PERIOD due to the
> possible covert vote requests as explained above.
>
>                    ==============================
>                    == END OF VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT ==
>                    ==============================
>
> Valete.
>
> Quintus
> TSC project lead.
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